Marla Miller: 0:35

Welcome back to Open Minded Healing. Today we're going to be discussing how electromagnetic radiation and wireless tech in your daily life negatively impact your health. My guest, Beverly Jensen, will be sharing how her own health was jeopardized by EMRs. And she'll also be offering some practical and science-based ways you can protect yourself from harmful EMRs. So if you want to create a healthier environment for yourself and your children or even grandchildren, you'll walk away from the show with simple, effective steps you can try right away. Welcome, Beverly. Thank you very much for having me. Well, I know you have a lot of important information to share here. And a lot of information I'm sure some people have not even heard before. So I want to dive right in and let's start with your own personal story growing up and how you became aware of this electromagnetic radiation. Okay.

Beverly Jensen: 1:39

And I do think that most people have heard about it as EMF, electromagnetic frequencies, or sometimes it's called electromagnetic fields, depending on what we're talking about. But the wireless tech, I refer to it as electromagnetic radiation because it is the radiation that is the problem. We can talk about how electromagnetic frequencies can be very healing, and frequency treatments are sort of the wave of the future. But anyway, my history is quite unusual. My dad went to uh my stepdad actually went to Okinawa and I think in 1960 as a soldier with the U.S. Army, and then he quit the Army and stayed on in the civil service to develop satellite communication technology. So he was in the forefront developing this technology that we're all using today. And in most dad's workshops, the tools are wrenches and saws and hammers and such. The tools in my dad's workshop were a Geiger counter and an oscilloscope. He was measuring radiation. And every time I wanted to go into the workshop to visit, I would get this speech, which has become my mantra, that if a device sends radio signals and receives radio signals, it's dangerous to keep back and keep it turned off as much as you can. And if we understand this, the first point is that we are all electrical beings. Every cell in our body is directed by electrical impulses from the brain or from the heart. And so it's it is only common sense that these frequencies are going to affect our electrical system. And number two, that every device that sends radio signals and receives radio signals is radioactive and it's harmful. You understand this, and remember it. And females are boring with all the eggs they're ever going to have, unlike the males. Um, there's been 200 studies on how it affects the sperm. And not going to put it in your breast pocket because it's going to affect the heart. So with these two signals here that we are electrical beings and that every device that sends and receives signals is dangerous, it's going to change our habits, our usage of this technology. So I remember these rules from dad in uh 1999 when I bought my 19-year-old daughter the family's first cell phone. I bought it for her because she had an hour's commute on the Washington, D.C. beltway, going to college every day. And I wanted her to have some way of communicating in case of emergency. So I gave her this phone and I said, don't ever put it against your head. Use speaker phone and don't carry it on your body, keep it aw away from your body, keep it in a bag or something, and keep conversation short. So that was 1999. Twenty years later, I did not remember this rule, and I sat six feet from a router, eight to ten hours a day, six days a week for three months. And I developed the hypersensitivity to this radiation. After three months of doing this, I traveled to Washington, D.C., where another one of my daughters lived. And I hadn't been to DC in five years. Between 2014 and 2019, the city had just become blanketed with radiation from the cellular device towers. And actually, someone took a photograph using some form of technology, and what you could see the layers of radiation on the main square there in front of the Washington Tower. And it didn't stay on the internet very long at all. I bet it it was there. So as I'm walking down the street, it's April, it's warm. My arms are bare. And in cities, the cell towers are hidden in architecture. So they're not in plain sight. Anyways, I'm walking down the street. My arm was began to itch, and then the skin began to burn. And finally, as I got must have been very close to the tower, it felt like my skin was crawling. These are classic symptoms of non-ionizing radiation. And so that was confirmation of how I had harmed myself sitting six feet from a router. And I've always said, you know, we just need labels on those routers and all these devices, it says what is safe use of them. You know, routers are the first thing to change in your house. They need to be put into the least used room, which cannot be a bedroom, and they need to be shielded. We can talk about later how to shield them, and they'll need to be turned off at night. But in every house I had gone into to measure EMF, the router sits square in the middle of the living room by the TV. So it's right there where all the family's activities are going on. Anyway, that was the beginning of my journey. And it's been quite unusual because I did have that background.

Marla Miller: 7:33

So how did you handle that when you noticed those symptoms on your arms? What did you do about it? Did you recognize what it was from initially?

Beverly Jensen: 7:42

Yeah, yeah. Because I was paying attention to what was being published about this already in 2019. So I knew as I visited DC the following months, I had other acute symptoms that would go away when I left the area.

Marla Miller: 8:01

What were some of the other symptoms?

Beverly Jensen: 8:03

Well, one time I was standing in the backyard of my daughter's property, and there are cells on top of huge cells on top of an apartment building two blocks away. There was a lot of trees there, but the trees don't absorb all of this. And I had on capri pants, so my lower legs were bare. And as I stood there, I felt like I was getting bitten by a hundred mosquitoes, and little red dots were appearing all over my legs, which itched. And there were a lot of mosquitoes in DC, so I thought maybe that was the problem. But I as soon as I left the backyard, those spots disappeared and the itching all stopped. It was the radiation from those cell towers. There are more symptoms, but those were sort of two acute ones that were early on symptoms of what was going on.

Marla Miller: 9:00

So how do you handle that when you have a child who lives there that you want to go visit?

Beverly Jensen: 9:06

Well, this particular daughter doesn't have children. But to stay in that house, I had to have a bed canopy, a shielding fabric that was suspended from a circle in the ceiling so that it blocked the radiation coming in through the windows. And then I was able to sleep. How you would handle this for a child is a long and complicated story because what you're going to be doing is really blocking it for everyone in the house. Not sure where you want to start with this.

Marla Miller: 9:42

Well, let's talk about how you identify sources of the radiation in your home. How can someone discover all the sources of it?

Beverly Jensen: 9:53

We need to change our idea about having an RF meter in the house. It is not an extravagance. It needs to be regarded as a necessary home appliance in this modern world. There was an engineer. He's still in the Bay Area, but he's retired now. Electrical engineer who, since 1990, he did home inspections for radio frequencies. And then he found out that even people who knew what to look for, if they did not have a meter, they would miss 50% of the sources. Even those who were informed on the subject and knew what to look for and wanted to find it, they would still miss 50%. And it's even more complicated now because every week, some manufacturers coming out with a chip in their product. A few years ago, I heard of a chip being put into baby's diapers. So the parents would be notified it's time to change the diaper. Oh my gosh. But there's nobody minding the gate for consumer protection. Anyone who's manufacturing anything can stick a chip in it, which is going to send Wi-Fi signals to your smart meter. And any product that you buy, I mean, toaster, vacuum cleaner, even an outdoor grill. I've seen an outdoor grill with the Wi-Fi symbol on it. Who needs this? Nobody. Yeah.

Marla Miller: 11:20

Yeah, there's so many appliances like the refrigerators that let you create a grocery list on it, all these things that are so unnecessary that just add to health issues.

Beverly Jensen: 11:33

All of these chips are emitting radio frequencies that are being sent to the smart meter. And the smart meter is another huge source of the radiation. If you cannot get it removed and put an analog back on, you need to shield it because it is a huge source of radiation that's going to affect you and your neighbors.

Marla Miller: 11:57

As far as that meter, the smart meter means it's constantly running and reading the information, whereas analog is when they have to come out to read the meter. I did read into that some years ago and I did have mine removed. At that time, you could call and you could ask them not to do the smart meter on your house. And so I did do that. So, in case people were wondering, what's the difference?

Beverly Jensen: 12:23

Yes, it's a huge difference because that smart meter is pulsing signals, which is the most dangerous type. But uh now, I mean, with all these products, even the talking Barbie is emitting radiation now. That's terrible. Got a chip in it. I haven't seen anybody doing a comprehensive survey of the toys, but you know, Christmas could be a real boon of products coming out also with chips in it. So a meter is necessary.

Marla Miller: 12:55

So the meter that you're talking about to test it, where do you get it? And what does that look like? And is it easy to operate?

Beverly Jensen: 13:02

I've got one across the room here from a Safe Living Technologies in Canada. And it's very simple. Yeah, it's $400. It's not inexpensive. But like I said, we have to regard this as a necessary home appliance. And the amount of the technology that's coming out is just increasing. And we're not going to be able to control this unless we do have a meteor. On the consultation page of my websites, I have a list of, I think about four meteors that have been exhaustively reviewed and tested by engineers.

Marla Miller: 13:40

So, how do you go about testing? Do you go around where there's outlets? How are you testing in the home?

Beverly Jensen: 13:47

You turn it on and go into an area. Like in my kitchen now, the numbers stay in the very low range till I get near the window. There's cell towers about three-fourths of a mile away, and that's coming in through the window. So when I want to be doing some work in the kitchen, I choose to work on the other counter, not on the counter in front of the window. And this is because I'm I am already sensitive to this. But taking that meter around the house, you'll find out where are the sources. Like in the bedroom, put the meter on the side of the bed where I would be sleeping to see the levels there. And I get it out of my hand because sometimes my own body's levels are high. I I don't hold it, I put it on the bed to see what's the area that doesn't include me. So take it around the house, and you as you get near where there's an appliance or any device that's got the chip in it, the meter goes up.

Marla Miller: 14:59

So that would be the first step. Get a meter and you can check around your house. And then when you find areas of concern, what are some ways you're mitigating that? Okay.

Beverly Jensen: 15:11

In the bedroom in this particular apartment, on the windows there, I use a copper fabric and cover probably three-fourths of the window. It's the bedroom where I'm not in there during the daytime, so I don't really need a whole lot of daylight in there. And that copper fabric, they sell it, I think it's about two meters square on Amazon for, you know, $20. It's real inexpensive. Some of these materials are $125 a yard. So it really depends. And the shop on my website, I've got two stores who are very good sources for this. One is in upstate New York called Les EMS. And they have been selling devices to measure this and mitigate it since 1986. And then there's the company in Canada too, Safe Living Technologies, which has got excellent products for shielding.

Marla Miller: 16:07

What are some other shielding devices or products?

Beverly Jensen: 16:11

First of all, on the website, I've got a page of steps to protect yourself. I think it's one to seven. And the top of the list is tame the router. And I didn't include the smart meter that's got to be shielded outside. And she's actually seen on YouTube some very good videos on how to do that with screening material. I'm talking about aluminum or metal screen fabric that is sold for $10 a roll at Lowe's to replace the screen door or the screen on your windows. So you can get a roll of that and make sure it is the real metal one because you will have many more rolls that are plastic that look like screen. But for these purposes of protecting and mitigating the radiation from the devices, you need the metal. If you own your property, you should wire the house so that you don't have to run cords all over. But let's say you're you're renting and it's a smaller space, you put the router in the least used room and wrap it with two or three layers of this aluminum screening material. And then I just staple the sides and leave the back open so you put the forwards in. I like it because this is an inexpensive, easy way to do it. You can cut the screening material with your kitchen scissors. So I wrap that up with three layers of screening material and reduced the radiation by 97%. And it had been like 297 milliwatts per square meter. Very, very high radiation levels. It was in an apartment in the lower level of our home. And when I arrived to visit, and I couldn't even take off my shielding capes and materials upstairs until we wrapped up this router. And still, with it wrapped up like that, there was still enough Wi-Fi in the house to use phones and to use laptops upstairs. But it had been reduced by 97%. We don't actually need the routers to have this much power in them. Then when you get the router shielded, use an Ethernet cord and run it from your back room to wherever you have your laptop and cover it up with rugs. People aren't tripping over the cord. And then you put your laptop into airplane mode and you've got your Wi-Fi wired.

Marla Miller: 18:50

Good tip. So in addition to wrapping the router, how are you handling the laptops?

Beverly Jensen: 18:57

Every laptop or computer screen, phone screen in my family has got a film from a company called RetiCare. And this was recommended to me by the probably the first uh advocate in this field as the only blue light blocking screen worth having. So it's called Reti Care and it's on the Medicine Bowl shop. But we put that on our telephone, on the cell phones and on the screens. And some of the family members are working with two or three big screens, and they've put these films on all of them. Yeah. Protect your eyes.

Marla Miller: 19:39

Oh, that's good to know. And you said you can get that on your website. Yeah. Reti care.

Beverly Jensen: 19:45

That's for all of the tablets, computer screens, phone screens, all of the company from Spain. And it's highly recommended. Only one word needs in.

Marla Miller: 19:58

Well, that sounds easy enough to do to just stick that on your screen.

Beverly Jensen: 20:03

Yeah, it's easy.

Marla Miller: 20:04

When you say Reti, how are you spelling it? R-E-T-I-C-A-R-E, Reti Care.

Beverly Jensen: 20:11

Okay, great. Yeah. About the routers, there is an alternative. It's unique and far superior to anything else that's on the market. It's called J R S Eco Low EMF Wi-Fi router, J-R-S. And it's developed by an engineer in Belgium and it works in tandem with whatever router your internet provider has given you. But you put that provider's router on some switch. What happens with Eco Low router is that the radiation from it is 90% less than other typical routers. And when it's not being used by any device in the house, it goes to sleep. And you can also control the expansion of that network so that you're not beaming it into your neighbor's property. That's outstanding development. A lot of this technology can be a whole lot safer. And when the public starts demanding that, more of it's going to happen.

Marla Miller: 21:17

Yeah. Well, that sounds really interesting, that router. So you're saying you use it in conjunction with your router that you already have? Or you replace it?

Beverly Jensen: 21:27

It's used in tandem with the one you have, but the signals are going to come only through this JRS EcoLow router. I'm going to be offering that on my shop, but right now I think you can order it just directly, find it on the internet.

Marla Miller: 21:46

So it mitigates the harm of the router you already have.

Beverly Jensen: 21:49

Definitely.

Marla Miller: 21:50

Used in tandem. So that's good to know. And also the fact that it prevents those harmful frequencies from going out to your neighbors. I think that's really great, especially in apartment buildings and things like that. Yeah. Wonderful. Well, what are some areas of concern besides the router that you see the most? Okay.

Beverly Jensen: 22:13

Another thing is if your home or in your office and your cell phone is connected to a Wi Fi, you can put the phone on airplane mode. And again, that will cut your radiation exposure by 90 to 97%. And you'll still get calls. You can make calls all Always anywhere you can take photographs on airplane mode. I recall going to the party of about 30 people who were meeting the newborn baby. And there's like 30 people there with cell phones aimed six feet away from this infant. And this is before there was any discussion of the effects of the radiation on children and especially on newborns. But anyway, we can always take pictures on airplane mode. And if you're, like I said, someplace at home or the office where your phone is connecting to Wi-Fi, you can just keep it on airplane mode. And I've measured how much that reduces your radiation exposure, and it's huge. It's like over 90% always.

Marla Miller: 23:24

So when people go to bed at night, well, if they don't have their router turned off and they have their phone nearby, if they do keep it in their room, say, how far away should they try and put it? And they could put it on airplane mode, because a lot of people don't want to turn it off completely. Yeah.

Beverly Jensen: 23:42

If you have an iPhone, you turn it off, it continues to connect with the cell tower pulsing. So the radiation levels are not reduced on an iPhone. Half of us have iPhones. Oh, even if it's turned off completely? Yes. If it's turned off, the iPhone will continue connecting to the towers. But airplane mode is always going to be safer. I've gone to homes where people called me because they were having headaches. And in one case, the husband and wife both had their phones on the nightstands beside them charging. And so we need to think of the bedroom as a sanctuary. And all electronics should be removed from it. And if you've got a smart TV in your bedroom, it will be sending out the signals whether or not it's on. I've gone into hotel rooms where there's zero radiation in the whole room except in front of the smart TV that's turned off where it will be high. So you would have to unplug the TV. But you should get a battery-operated clock and not be using the cell phone as an alarm clock. And definitely should not be charging in the bedroom. There was one case in which a toddler had never slept in 30 months since birth. And the person who went in there to find out what was going on found that they had been using a wireless laptop to play lullabies for this baby since it was born. And that would be why it could not sleep. And this was February. And at Christmas, they had been given an Alexa-type device that looked like a cute little panda bear that was reading them bedtime stories. And I called it bad panda. It was sitting about six feet from the head where they were sleeping. And the radiation levels were 250,000 milliwatts per square meter. Huge. It was no wonder the children weren't sleeping. This is why I I say we need to have a meter in the home. And parents need to be reading the books to the children. Yeah. You know, not using devices. It's sounds like a nice idea, but it's not constructive. And in this case, it was very harmful.

Marla Miller: 26:14

Well, and it's also missing that connection.

Beverly Jensen: 26:17

Yes, absolutely. Yes.

Marla Miller: 26:20

Well, what are any other symptoms you've seen, whether it's in children or adults, caused by this radiation or frequency?

Beverly Jensen: 26:29

I think it's a very broad question. Let's talk about autism. There's a doctor in Seattle, Dietrich Klinghardt, who's been treating autism since 1990. If the parents do not agree to eliminate EMF from the house, he will not take the child as a patient because it's not going to work. The healing, the recovery, was not complete or sustainable if the home had electromagnetic frequencies bouncing around in it. And one point, Dr. Klinghardt did a study, went to the places, the homes, where the women with autistic children had been sleeping during pregnancy, and measured the radiation levels in those homes and compared that to the sleeping areas of women who did not have autistic babies. And the women whose children were autistic had been sleeping in spaces with 20 times the amount of radiation than those who had healthy, normal children. There's been a lot of research done at the Kaiser Permanente in Oakland by a scientist who's been looking at the impact on the fetal development from the radiation. He has found that the last trimester and the first weeks after birth are most critical that the child is not subjected to any radiation levels. It's a real tragedy that this just isn't known in the population, and that doctors aren't aware of it, and hospitals are not enforcing any rules about use of cell phones anywhere. I have a friend who's an obstetrics nurse told me about a woman who had delivered a child, and the family came in to visit, four kids and pops, all of them with devices, sitting in the room with the newborn. The medical community is not cognizant, not aware of the effects of this and doing anything to change use or behaviors, even in the medical environment. It's going to be us, the public, who's going to make these changes. That's why I've decided in the last year that the people to reach here to change this situation are they going to be the mobs. Yeah. I mean, always it's been the women who made the families' health decisions. And it's often the women who, like mothers against drunken driving, who decide this has got to change. You know, there was a study of social movements. And I found that when 3% of the population changes their understanding, their beliefs, and their behaviors, that it changes the culture and it changes the laws. So my goal is to reach 10 million moms to get them engaged in this to control it. The FCC is not doing its job. It's controlled by telecom and has been since the beginning. So it's going to be the public. I agree.

Marla Miller: 29:51

Is there any other ways you've seen that these EMFs are affecting adults and children physically and emotionally?

Beverly Jensen: 30:00

Well, there's been a lot of reports of the effects on the mental health of particularly young teens and particularly girls. I mean, the experience of depression and of loneliness. I can have 500 friends on Facebook and nobody to go to the movies with. You know, and nobody to talk to. One mom years ago made the comment that in this world today, a slumber party with the young girls is never going to be like it was when she was a kid. That is true unless the moms decide to take control of the use of the devices in the home. My youngest daughter, who has three kids, has a what's called the communications center right inside the door. And her kids have no screens. They're young yet, five, seven, and nine, but they have no screens. And when friends come over who are wearing a smartwatch, which is another very bad thing, is harming the body directly, and they've got an iPad, it goes into the communications room. So if you have everybody put all of their devices into one space when they come over to visit, you can still have honest interactions and communication with the young people. One mom said she's homeschooling her kids and they're not using any devices. And when uh some of the school kids came over to play with her, they all came with phones or tablets, and they sat there and wanted to do things on their tablets. And that's not playing together. No, you know, that's intercepted and cut off the true communication activity and the social development. And that is a fundamental problem here. The Marapin Pediatrics Association recommends that children have no screen time before it in the first two years. And between ages three and five, no more than one hour a day, and the adult sits with the child and interprets what they're watching, discusses what they're watching. There's been quite a bit of pushback now in the last year. One group called Saving Childhood, two moms in the UK called for this on Instagram. And in two months, they had 60,000 moms join them that take back childhood. Because when the child is on these devices, they are not present with the reality around them, other people around them. And they also then have distresses which should not be part of childhood. And they're not playing like they should, they're not getting the physical activity, they're not learning how to socialize. There was a study done on, now that they've got the technology to look at what's happening in the brain, that children who had been using screens in any fashion at all in the first two years, between ages four and five, their development of language and social skills was less than those children who had no screens the first two years. So it is having a physical, absolute impact on their mental development, and say in the area of the brain, is how we learn social skills, you know, how to read emotions, how to learn to cooperate with other people. And all of this is being impacted by the use of the screens. Another parent group on Facebook is called Wait Until Eighth, that's eighth grade. And the last number I saw was they had 100,000 parents to join them. So there's a push now to take this back, you know.

Marla Miller: 34:03

Yeah. Well, I'm glad to hear that there are groups like that out there really focusing on this stuff, especially with the young, young children, the babies. I remember I heard about someone that was doing her thesis and had the baby, the newborn, right up like in a papoose right next to her as she's typing her thesis for hours and hours at a time, thinking that, oh, I'm keeping the baby close and cradling her, but it's so damaging.

Beverly Jensen: 34:32

Yes, it is. Until we understand the effect of all of these wireless devices, we're not really to blame until someone tells us and telecom has not wanted us to know.

Marla Miller: 34:45

Yeah. That's why a meter is so good because it shows you physically what's happening instead of just walking in a room and you can't see the the waves in the air or anything. Yeah, yeah.

Beverly Jensen: 34:58

This is a pollutant we can't see, we can't hear, can't smell. And when you start to feel it, you're in trouble.

Marla Miller: 35:05

Yeah. So what are some ways listeners can mitigate this? What are some simple, easy steps they can take?

Beverly Jensen: 35:14

The first thing to do is tame the router, get it out of the living room, and wrap it up in screening material, turn it off at night. You can also buy a uh timer for 10 bucks and have it turned off automatically an hour before everybody's bedtime. And to be using your cell phone on airplane mobile when you're in the house, and also uh create a communication center so that the residents of the house are not all walking around with cell phones. Put them all in one place. The world isn't going to end or change if you don't answer every call as soon as it comes in. There's two documentaries which families should consider when they're going to make changes in the house. One is called Generation Zapped. And that's a good discussion of this wireless tech and its effects on us. Another one was done by Netflix called the social media dilemma. And depending upon the age of your children, if they're already using these devices, then you need to watch these with the kids and then have a family discussion on how you're going to change behaviors in the house to make it healthier for everybody. There's something else that I think we all need to do, and that is because the FCC is not changing this, and telecom is pushing for more and more control. In fact, December 9th, a bill was moved out of a committee of the House of Representatives that would prevent citizens, residents, from participating in a city's decision on whether or not to allow the erection of a cell tower. I mean, it takes all power away from the public. Yeah. And it is our homes where they'll be putting those in our schoolyards, in the parks, five feet from your bedroom window on the street. And we need to have everybody take two minutes to call their representative in Washington, D.C. to say, vote against this. It's House Bill 2289. And there's an organization called, everybody should sign up for this. It's called the Nationalcall.org. And you can put this on the website when you post this interview. But the nationalcall.org, it's organized by an attorney in New York. She tracks all the telecom bills and makes notes and tells folks who to call when to affect these laws. In the last legislative center session, there were 90 bills from telecom, and only four of them got passed. One of them was quite devastating. But now there are 50. And the foremost important one is probably this 2289 in the House of Representatives. Because it would prevent us individuals, the residents of the cities from participating in these decisions. And an attorney whose whole practice is representing cities in cases against telecom, he said there's a misconception that if a city fights telecom, they're going to go bankrupt. He said it's absolutely untrue. If they lose the case, which they don't very often lose the case, they don't have to pay the attorney fees for the teleco or anything. They just have to put up the tower. And then he said, but I can only fight with the laws that we have. He said, it's you, the public, who make the calls to the representatives who change the laws. He said, I can only fight for the laws on the books. So you and me and everybody listening to this, we are the ones who need to track what's going on and make the calls to our representatives. You get a staff member who listens politely and puts down a check mark as to your position, or you get a recording. It takes two minutes. And like I said, the national call.org had some effect in preventing the other 86 bills from going through last term.

Marla Miller: 39:29

Well, it's really good for people to be educated about all of this and then to be given those resources to know, you know, how do I call in or what's up on the bill next? And how can I make a difference? Yeah. So I'm so glad you brought that to our attention.

Beverly Jensen: 39:48

Yeah, because we can do this in our homes, but by gosh, if they're allowed to put a cell tower right outside your window, you're in serious trouble. And it reduces your property value by over 25%. So besides your health, there's a financial impact also.

Marla Miller: 40:07

So that's great. You've given some ideas for people to wrap the router and get it out of the living room to also just stop buying all the appliances and toys and games that all have these chips in them. And to not hold your phone up to your head and to use some kind of headset to keep it away from your brain and not sleep with devices in your bedroom. At the very least, put them on airplane mode. Is there any other thing that comes to mind for things that you can do? Action steps you can take?

Beverly Jensen: 40:41

I think if we start with this, it's a it's a real good head start. I offer a free 20-minute consultation call if you feel like you need some support in getting this going. And that's on the website, both websites. I've had the Women's Medicine Bowl since 2003. And it initially, for many years, just focused on natural treatments, natural healing. And I shifted it in 2019 because I think that if we don't solve this problem, everything else is jeopardized.

Marla Miller: 41:17

So that's one of your websites is women's medicinebull.com.com. Yes.

Beverly Jensen: 41:22

But then just earlier this year, I decided to focus on mothers and kids. So the second one is called U, Y-O-U-N-A-N-D-E-M F dot com. And that's specifically about how to protect the children. There's articles of the science in there on how they're affected in different age groups. That consultation is also offered on that website.

Marla Miller: 41:51

Okay. And is there any other group you would suggest people follow or join?

Beverly Jensen: 41:58

Every mom would benefit from joining moms across America. And their first concern is our food supply. They're concerned about what's in our food, what's in the air. There's a section there also on BMF. And they also go into heavy detail on how to become an advocate, how to address your city board. But like I said, if we don't stop this bill, we won't get the opportunity to be addressing the city board.

Marla Miller: 42:27

Is there anything else you want to add that we didn't cover? I don't think so. It's ever changing, but thank you very much for having me. Yeah, well, I appreciate you coming on and getting this information. I mean, I knew about EMFs, but it's great to know the ways that we can take control of our environment and our health in this way. So I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much.